I'll debate anything with anyone, I'll defend any position. Challenge me, GO.
- Dean.Vogt
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- The Death Penalty Today: Defend It!
- makronic
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- In australia, some islander cultures take the law into their own hands. Families would pay hitmen to kill rapists. Offenders of that culture knows full well the consequences of rape in that culture. Of course this is not judicial but it is their cultural.
In western judicial systems, it's a cheap and easy way to get rid of repeating offenders who are dangerous. Prisons are expensive to run. For those multiple recidivists of heinous crimes who contribute nothing to society and can not be released into the general public in fear of recidivism, the death penalty seems sensible. For the general public to pay tax in order to support re-offending murderers is kind of like hiring an explosives expert to reset the timer on a bomb every 10 minutes so that it wouldnt blow up... instead of just defusing it.
- Jack-Karven
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- I'll bet you don't have an image because you are not sure of yourself.
- makronic
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- I don't have an image because I don't have a digital camera. Even if i did i wouldnt, this is the internet, I prefer privacy and anonymity.
lol, I just made a thread which says I can best anyone in a debate and you think I'm not sure of myself? and fyi, im hot. and comments like that just makes you sound insecure. - Jack-Karven
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- Looks like I touched a nerve.
- Jack-Karven
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- Obviously a hothead when challenged, not who I am looking for...have a good day.
- Jack-Karven
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- Challenge you on what subject...the subject of challenge?
- makronic
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- no genius, YOU are meant to pick the subject, that's what makes it a challenge for me. If you're so unimaginative that you can't think of a topic, other than the word challenge which you took from the title, then I won't waste my time.
- timtim1000
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- defend the position of racists, GO
- Jack-Karven
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- They are wrong but they are human, would you pull the trigger if given the opportunity?
- makronic
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- mass murder is wrong, but mass murderer are human.
No one is talking about killing them, why in the world would you jump to that conclusion? Imprisonment out of the question? - Jack-Karven
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- Sorry Maronic, I was looking for intelligent conversation, I will leave you to yourself.
- makronic
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- obviously you werent looking to intelligent convo. you couldnt afford it.
- Jack-Karven
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- Check your grammar, check your spelling, check you temper and you might eventually say something worth reading.
- makronic
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- I'm sorry grammar nazi... I forget this is the internet where trolls like you prowl. I'll remember next time so that the stench of my bad grammar wont attract trolls. Yeah, I'm a hothead and I love it. What does that matter to you? So do you go around antagonizing people you haven't met and when they respond, you antagonize them some more for responding? I guess it's the only way you get any attention... So i'll have to deprive you of that.
- Jack-Karven
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- Too late.
- makronic
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- growing up, i was a victim of racism. so here goes ;)
Racism is only a symptom of an evolutionarily adaptive trait which is group identity and group cohesion. Psychology experiments have shown that simply by labelling one group of children group A and another group B is enough to create in-group/out-group prejudices. Racism is the exact same psychological bias, so the question is whether this bias is useful or not.
Like most psychological biases, it is value neutral. It can be beneficial or detrimental to the individual and/or the group.
you win, i can't seriously defend racism.
- JennyX
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- Defend the position that diseases that affect a small % of the population should not get as much money
- makronic
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- Huh... ok... I like a challenge
A utilitarian position would advocate a system of distribution of goods weighted by the amount of happiness derived from it. So naturally, satisfying the need of a larger group of people should take precedent to the needs of a minority.
Ofcourse we'd like to believe that our society is more egalitarian than this, and if you believe so then it is because you live in the first world where resources are abundant. When resources are not abundant, the distribution of goods (medication/research funding) must be proportional to the demands.
Maybe more importantly, drug companies are evil and must profit. Therein lies the paradox, because the richer they get the more and better drugs they develop. So it is a necessary evil for them to do good.
- Juan.Ni
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- Defend the position of the british government sending our kids to die in a war based on lies, GO
- makronic
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- HAHAHA... ok, you caught me with my pants down. But i'll stay true to my words. But know that I'm playing devil's advocate.
In the competitive world stage, there is no room for sympathies towards civilians. A necessary war based on lies is better than losing strategic advantage due to civilian red tape. Ends justifies the means. - Juan.Ni
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- How do you classify it as necessary and what are the ends to justify such brutal means?
- makronic
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- Well I can't say I understand the motives behind the war. If there were no strategic value in attacking iraq, it wouldn't be done. If there is strategic value, then the neccessity lies in the fact that it is the best course of action to secure national interests. The failure to do so will disadvantage britains position in the world stage.
- Juan.Ni
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- There is certainly value in what they have done, it is clearly not for the reasons they give though. The moment the people saw through their lies their position become undefendable.
- makronic
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- Sure, if you think lying is the worse of their crimes :P
- Juan.Ni
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- Unfortunately politics is nearly as big a load of bollocks as religion and people will always suffer for others to gain
- makronic
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- I'm not playing the devil's advocate here. I don't see how else It could be.
Call me cynical, but there's no way that anyone can gain at no expense to others. That's just how things work, regardless of politics.
The alternative is utopia, and that's just plain boring :P
- makronic
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- let me put it this way. If say (hypothetically) the US attacked Iraq for the sole purpose of oil.
You could say that it is neccessary for the US to attack Iraq for oil because without the commodity, the US may fall behind and lose it's grip as the superpower.
All superpowers have a shelf life, it is in the best interest of that state to preserve itself through what ever means neccessary. Failure to do so would be a strategic blunder. You can then extend this to the citizens of that country. The responsibility to preserve that country falls upon the people. - Juan.Ni
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- i dont disagree with what you are saying, im just not going to convince myself it is right or even acceptable just because as you said it is a means to an end. If we act as they do then the world is fucked, why dont we all just take what we want.
- makronic
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- We do act as they do :P they act on behalf of us. It's not like we really have much of a say in it right?
We pretty much did just take what we want, and it worked out fine because we've got bigger guns. All to make sure we keep those guns.
Don't get me wrong, it's horrible. But hey, look at it this way, 200 years ago, there was still slavery, women can't vote and racism was rampant. Go back even further and the spanish inquisition ruled the land and there were torture devices for women called 'the wedge' which fitted comfortably between the legs.
Silver lining :P - Juan.Ni
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- Sadly you are mostly right, but only to someone who can see things for what they really are and understand why it is.
To your everyday Joe it is not the case and your arguement doesn't go anyway to console a family who have lost a loved one so cheaply. - makronic
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- I'm sorry to hear that, I don't mean to be a smartarse either. It's just easier for me to be cynical and ambivalent than to be passionate about something so depressing.
- alicep
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- Well done gentlemen! Bravo!